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Goonter · Jul 07, 2006, 02:30 AM // 02:30

and then theres also the possablity that someone will punch you in the face (or take other measures harmful to you) in real life

You can look at a person and change their behavior.

no such element online. is why i suggested the patrol.

Demesis · Jul 07, 2006, 02:33 AM // 02:33

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Originally Posted by inscribed

Wow, no wonder you aren't getting it, you can't read.

There already exists a way to take care of people who use racially offensive language. Its called 'reporting' someone. Its not hard.

So, given the method of dealing with this that already exists, what exactly are you arguing about?

You're running around the bush with your suggestions and since you have no other things to say you're resorting to directing personal insults at me.

At first you said "deal with it" and now you're saying "report it". If you've been following this thread closely you'll come across a few posts where people have repeatedly reported offenders and nothing was done. Reporting doesn't work and there needs to be a new effective system devised to solve the problem.

viper008 · Jul 07, 2006, 02:34 AM // 02:34

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Originally Posted by Goonter

and then theres also the possablity that someone will punch you in the face (or take other measures harmful to you) in real life

You can look at a person and change their behavior.

no such element online. is why i suggested the patrol.

Plus you can't change a person if they are not willing to change.

inscribed · Jul 07, 2006, 02:48 AM // 02:48

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Originally Posted by Demesis

You're running around the bush with your suggestions and since you have no other things to say you're resorting to directing personal insults at me.

At first you said "deal with it" and now you're saying "report it". If you've been following this thread closely you'll come across a few posts where people have repeatedly reported offenders and nothing was done. Reporting doesn't work and there needs to be a new effective system devised to solve the problem.

No, I'm not. This whole thread started with someone complaining about people dropping out of a group after getting an elite cap and other people purposefully giving out false information/calling others noobs.

In response to this, yes you need to 'deal with it'.

Some other posters (including you) decided to push this into things that are already covered by the EULA, such as racially offensive language, etc. In response to this, as it is already covered by the EULA, you are able to report it through the main Guild Wars webpage.

This is as clear as I can possibly make it.

Goonter · Jul 07, 2006, 02:52 AM // 02:52

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Originally Posted by viper008

Plus you can't change a person if they are not willing to change.

Im not sure your agreeing, but to add to that:
what inspires the will to change?
consequences?

I create consequences in real life. (so should we all)
the only virtue in acting like a jerk is to create consequences to control behavior for a good purpose. And you really only have to do that towards other jerks, as a means to speak the language. (like tough guy with the good heart)

true, you may inspire a few people and any good person is leaving in excellance.
but being good by yourself isnt going to "catch on" heres why:

the only thing that does catch on is doing what feels good.
and it just doesnt feel good to do good to others that dont when they have no reason to.

Akathrielah · Jul 07, 2006, 03:24 AM // 03:24

I really have to wonder how naive some people really are.

You are playing a game across a medium that allows for near complete anonymity (and I hope it stays that way, permanently).

This sort of anonymity as previous posters have pointed out breeds all sorts of crude behavior.

And as others have said-

Grow Up. Deal with it.

And no, this problem isn't as serious as cancer, aids or whatever biological/social/politcal contagion you can name. So you shouldn't expect the same attitude, action or resources being devoted towards it.

And no, there really isn't anything you can do about it, except report the most egregious forms of this behavior.

That's life. It ain't fair. People will steal your cookie, and the most you can (legally) do about it, is report it to Mr. Policeman who will just simply file your complaint and add it to the several thousand that they have.

Also, sarcasm translates poorly on the internet (emoticon or not), but really-

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I also expect thieves to stop stealing and rapists to stop raping, but I guess it's just a childish thing to expect them to stop behaving like that.

Yes it is childish to expect those things, I don't care where you are from and you are, but if you really expect something like this to occur, you seriously need to open your eyes to the world.

As for other games, it's just as bad everywhere, I don't know who said that WoW or EQ isn't as bad, but they clearly haven't played long enough or have had the grace of luck to be completely isolated from a solid portion of the community.

xiao1985 · Jul 07, 2006, 03:32 AM // 03:32

so many flaming/anti flaming...

my code of conduct: don't do what ever you don't want others to do to you (as some one mentioned before...)

i tolerate bad behaviors, because you will need to acknowledge they exist... but i ensure i am at my best image in game/irl.

and i keep believing that if i have this mentality, one day everyone will...

ps. it is untrue that teenagers act like jackasses. i am personally a teenager, and quite frankly, i NEVER called ANY ONE a noob, i never tried to scam everyone, i never cap an elite then left party, once my connection was horrible and i had to quit i apologized for 30 mins

those of you who are reading this, i urge you do the same... responding irresponsible behaviors using irresponsible behaviors can only worsen the game, not improve it... ignore them and when they realise they are not gaining any attention/desired results, they will find GW boring and quit themselves.

tear · Jul 07, 2006, 03:38 AM // 03:38

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Originally Posted by echo envitas

The bad behavior in-game is getting ridiculous.
The general chat is being constantly spammed by jerks. When someone actually asks a question, half the time he is insulted. Some people I send whispers to don't even respond, not even a "Sorry sold it already".
The in-game scams are everywhere, no one cares about other players. Its a "I'm in it for myself" atmosphere.
People drop out of groups in both PVP and PVE at the drop of a hat, leaving others high and dry.
Worst of all, recently I've been seeing alot of guys purposefully misleading and 'messing' with people.

Insults are bad, yes, and you can be banned for them (I have once) - but not responding to whispers, leaving games, and misleading people? You want these to be punishable offenses?

Are you serious?

Every little thing you have a problem with isn't necessarily a call for justice by authority. If you haven't thick enough skin to deal with the slighest of annoyances, perhaps you should step away and take a short breather, or remove yourself from any form of social interaction, forever.

MMSDome · Jul 07, 2006, 03:48 AM // 03:48

yes there is tons of ability but A-Nets nerfing cant go outside the computer and nerf the things that people do, something we all have to live with

Maria The Princess · Jul 07, 2006, 03:53 AM // 03:53

how about this:

let jerks be jerks and you just play your game?

seriously, dont take it close to you. in game, if someone is rude to me, the reaction that they WANT from you is getting pissed off, flame them, rage quit. if you do that they are satisfied and happy to "offend" their next target. now if you act smarter and put them on your ignore list, or polytely tell them to quit acting like a 10 year old, they will feel bad and stupid, and there is 50% of chance that thy will STFU for the rest of the mission, and if they are stuburn and continue to annoy other players they will get flamed at and again, will finish by STFU.

insults? you realy think that a guy who only saw your character for 5 minutes can know who is your mother, how long you have been playing the game and how much you know about it? Hell no! so why is it offending? cuz he dared telling that to you? its just a 10 yeras old trying to feel cool. make him feel stupid and thats it, coolness for him finished!

honestly, workes like a charm every time.

Helios · Jul 07, 2006, 04:00 AM // 04:00

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Originally Posted by xiao1985

ps. it is untrue that teenagers act like jackasses. i am personally a teenager, and quite frankly, i NEVER called ANY ONE a noob, i never tried to scam everyone, i never cap an elite then left party, once my connection was horrible and i had to quit i apologized for 30 mins

Totally agree. I have teenagers in my guild that act more mature than some of the 30+ year old members. Hell, I've taught 12 year olds that are more mature than the people I work with.

viper008 · Jul 07, 2006, 04:02 AM // 04:02

It's the parents fault. When I see my kid being bad online, I spank him with stiff leather belt, make him scrub the floors with a tooth brush, and then copy 15 random pages out of a small print dictionary. Think I'm kidding?

Goonter · Jul 07, 2006, 04:29 AM // 04:29

I speak for myself, and I also agree with a lot of you, that this issue of poor conduct is nothing to get distraught over.
And if most agree that the forms of control are the best suited then, we got what we got, one should deal or move on as usual.

just know this -
in the case of any future events (or any random get togethers) we should also look forward to aggressive inconsideration.
in the case of a single player griefing a whole effort look forward to again, or learn to isolate yourself better.
theres no reason for that to change.

I can deal with that. I just think its bad for a community game. And Im certain that it could be better given the wisdom, time and resources.
...time and resources being the biggest deterrent of doing anything more at all.

Opeth11 · Jul 07, 2006, 04:33 AM // 04:33

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Originally Posted by MDeshame

It's the parents fault. When I see my kid being bad online, I spank him with stiff leather belt, make him scrub the floors with a tooth brush, and then copy 15 random pages out of a small print dictionary. Think I'm kidding?

Guess what he doesn't do, they next time he is online...It's not rocket science people, spare thy rod, spoil thy child.

On a side note, I'm impressed with the words he has learned from the dictionary.

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Originally Posted by viper008

It's the parents fault. When I see my kid being bad online, I spank him with stiff leather belt, make him scrub the floors with a tooth brush, and then copy 15 random pages out of a small print dictionary. Think I'm kidding?

I'm guessing that method and wording is quite common amoung parents?

raven214 · Jul 07, 2006, 04:52 AM // 04:52

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Originally Posted by natuxatu

I agree that the community is awefull compared to pretty much any other mmorpg (or similiar type.) To be completely honest I think it has a lot to do with the fact that there is no monthly fee (sorry if it's been mentioned I didn't read through all the posts) but I would gladly pay a monthly fee as I feel that would get rid of the caual players and only the ones who are serious about the game are going to invest money.

I'd even consider paying a small fee to play on a seperate server. Like the "golden server" whatever they want to call it. Make some marketing ploy to keep the kiddies out and I'd bite.

I would actually do that, too... or at least, I would certainly be willing to give it a try.

us3rX · Jul 07, 2006, 04:59 AM // 04:59

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Originally Posted by Hello Kitty

Welcome to the internet, where Normal Person + Anonymity + Audience = Jerk

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2004/20040319h.jpg

I do agree that more could be done to control GW players - I've run into some pretty horrible folks myself that deserved the ban stick... but all in all it's been fine. I've seen much more good than bad in GW.

lmfao, enough said ^

~us3rX

Aramaki · Jul 07, 2006, 04:59 AM // 04:59

Maybe active GM and reporting in game will make the GW world a better one, better than none. But for now just get into guilds, team up with friends, read more(official and fan sites), and be smart. That's how we are getting by isn't it?

us3rX · Jul 07, 2006, 05:04 AM // 05:04

has many have said... i hate the idea of paying to play... but if it meant getting rid of the spammers/flamers and etc then i would gladly pay it

~us3rX

Zehnchu · Jul 07, 2006, 05:25 AM // 05:25

The quick and best fix, is anet takes out all chat channels =).

Opeth11 · Jul 07, 2006, 06:01 AM // 06:01

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Originally Posted by Zehnchu

The quick and best fix, is anet takes out all chat channels =).

Best fix? Hardly.

Removing all chat channels would mean no communication.